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Mar 31

这两天媒体报导英国有研究人员“发现”蟾蜍能够预报地震,论文发表在Journal of Zoology上面。中文媒体也有翻译报导。Discovery.com的一位博客作者就此请教了Susan Hough(她是美国地质调查局和加州理工学院工作人员,经常在地震之后出面向公众介绍地震知识),Susan Hough做了回答。

http://news.discovery.com/earth/can-toads-predict-earthquakes.html

In order to take a serious look at whether this toad thing has anything to it — and whether the little buggers were somehow able to read electrical signals from the edge of space — I consulted with Susan Hough, a seismologist at Caltech. After having a read of the paper, here’s what she had to say:

This is a good example of bad science. The earthquake prediction heyday of the 1970s was launched and sustained by similar studies: people who found snippets of data after the fact that showed an apparent correlation between some signal and an eventual earthquake. This is not good statistics. You can’t select data after the fact.
【翻译:这是坏科学的典型例子。在地震预报高潮的1970年代,曾经开展这类研究:一些人在地震之后找到一些片段的数据,来说明某些信号和最终发生的地震之间的明显的关系。这不是好的统计学。你不能在事件发生后去选择数据。】

In this case, there’s no way to know what kind of fluctuations are normally seen in toad activity, or what else might have been going on in the study area that could have influenced toad behavior.
【翻译:在这个例子里,没有办法知道蟾蜍活动的什么样的波动属于正常现象,或者研究区什么其它过程有可能影响到了蟾蜍的行为。】

It is within the realm of possibility that there are precursory signals before some earthquakes, and that animals might respond to them. But to demonstrate a significant correlation one would need to have a long record of objectively-recorded data before and after many earthquakes.
【翻译:确实有这样的可能性:在某些地震之前存在前兆信号,并且动物对这样的信号有反应。但是,要展示一个有意义的关联,研究者必须在多次地震之前和之后进行长期客观的数据记录。】

On the question of the ionosphere, she added:

There have been a number of studies of satellite observations that approach the bar for good science, in terms of applying rigorous statistics, etc. And, again, it is within the realm of possibility that VLF [Very Low Frequency] precursors exist.

But the snippets of data shown are insufficient to draw conclusions.


There are really two questions: 1) do precursors exist, and 2) do useful precursors exist? It is possible that precursory signals — electromagnetic, whatever — are generated in the earth prior to SOME earthquakes, but these precursors, if they exist, will have no predictive capability if they do not reliably occur before large earthquakes, and only before large earthquakes.
【翻译:(地震前兆)有两个问题:(1)前兆存在吗?(2)可用的前兆存在吗?在某些地震之前有可能产生前兆信号——电磁的或者别的什么的,但是,这样的前兆,如果存在的话,并没有预报意义,除非它们在大地震之前可靠地存在、并且只在大地震之前存在。】

““坏科学的典型例子”(Susan Hough评“癞蛤蟆报地震”论文)”有4篇评论

  1. Stephen.Li Says:

    你太偷懒了,想想你科普对象。:)

    时常看国家地理等科普的人,哪可能需要这样说。

  2. Amsel Says:

    Stephen.Li:我翻了几段。不过都是我们熟知的解释,但是就是有人不明白。

  3. 拟南芥 Says:

    Amsel你好,你在
    http://songshuhui.net/archives/35834.html
    留言了。
    请问能转载你这篇文章作为澄清吗?

  4. Amsel Says:

    拟南芥:方舟子已经把这篇放在新语丝新到上面了,it is more authorized. 你可以拷贝那个、带文末编号。

    http://www.xys.org/xys/ebooks/others/science/dajia11/dizhen.txt

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